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The US House Oversight Commitee held a historic hearing on Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency.

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Zac Aubert

Zac Aubert

Wed Jul 26 2023Written by Zac Aubert

The US House Oversight Commitee held a historic hearing on Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency.

The hearing focused on the issue of transparency and national security implications around UFOs and other unidentified aerial phenomena (UAP) sightings. During the hearing the commitee heard testimony from the former intelligence official David Grusch, retired navy pilot Ryan Graves, and former navy commander David Fravor.

Opening Remarks

Congressman Glenn Grothman, chair of the House subcommittee on national security, the border and foreign affairs started the hearing by welcoming everyone to the “most exciting, most extensive committee in Congress this week”. He continued to expresses his thanks to the “brave” military personnel who were there it give witness testimony, “sharing their stories and how they’ve engaged UAPs”.

Congressman Tim Burchett, who is co-leading the UFO investigation gave opening remarks stating that “the devil has been in our way through this hearing”, and that he has “run into roadblocks” from members of the intelligence community. "This is an issue of government transparency. We can’t trust a government that does not trust its people. We’re not bringing little green men or flying saucers into the hearing. Sorry to disappoint about half y’all. We’re just going to get to the facts. We’re going to uncover the cover-up."

First Witness - Ryan Graves

Ryan Graves was the first witness to give testimony before the panel is a retired navy pilot who claims he saw UAPs off the Atlantic coast “every day for at least a couple years”.

He claims he has experienced unexplained anomalous phenomena (UAP) “first-hand” and that he is testifying “to voice the concerns of more than 30 commercial aircrews and military veterans who have confided their similar encounters with me”. He says the stigma attached to UAP is “real and powerful” and it “silences pilots who fear professional repercussions and discourages witnesses”.

Graves claims sightings of UAP are “grossly underreported” and are “not rare or isolated”.

Graves says he was stationed at NAS Oceana in Virginia Beach in 2018 when his team began “detecting unknown objects operating in our airspace”. Graves says that during a training mission off the coast of Virginia Beach, two F18 Super Hornets were “split by UAP” which were “described as a dark grey or black cube inside of a clear sphere”. He claims the mission commander terminated the flight immediately, and that the squadron submitted a safety report, but that there was “no official acknowledgement of the incident”.

“essentially where all Navy operations are being conducted across the world”. was the response to Graves being asked if UAP encounters during training flights are only being reported on the US east coast

Asked if there are any common characteristics to the UAPs that have been cited by different pilots, Graves says sightings were primarily of “dark grey or black cubes inside of clear sphere” where “the apex or tips of the cube were touching the inside of the sphere”.

Second Witness - David Grusch

David Grusch, the star witness whose allegations sparked today’s hearing, led analysis of UAP within a department of defense agency until 2023 and left the government in April after a 14-year career in intelligence.

He says his testimony is “based on information I’ve been given by individuals with a longstanding track record of legitimacy”. He claims many of these individuals have shared “compelling evidence” in the form of photography, official documentation, and classified oral testimony. Grusch says he suffered retaliation for his decision to become a whistleblower, but that he “hopeful” that his actions “will ultimately lead to a positive outcome of increased transparency”.

Representative Tim Burchett asks David Grusch if he has any personal knowledge of people who have been harmed or injured in efforts to cover up or conceal extraterritorial technology. Grusch replies: “Yes” he knows of “multiple colleagues” who were physically injured by UAP activity and by people within the US federal government. Burchett then asked Grusch if he has heard of anyone being murdered. The former intelligence official answers:Grusch replies: "I directed people with that knowledge to the appropriate authorities."

Grusch told the House oversight committee that he “absolutely” believes that the US government is in possession of UAPs. "Absolutely, based on interviewing over 40 witnesses over four years." He added that he knows “the exact locations” of where this technology is “and those locations were provided to the inspector general and some of which, to the intelligence committees”.

When asked if any bodies of pilots were recovered from any crashed crafts, Grusch replied "As I’ve stated publicly already...biologics came with some of these recoveries." When further asked if they where human or non human biologics, Grusch responded: "Non-human, and that was the assessment of people with direct knowledge on the program I talked to."


Third Witness - David Fravor

David Fravor, the third witness at the House oversight committee hearing, details his experience where he saw an object flying across the sky during a 2004 training mission.

Fravor, a former navy commander who filmed a famous “Tic Tac” video, said the object that his team engaged in 2004 “was far superior to anything that we had at the time, have today or looking to develop in the next 10 years”.

He says “what is shocking to us is that the incident was never investigated”, and claims none of his crew were ever questioned.

During the hearing, members of both parties questioned how Congress should go about investigating allegations that the government is concealing information about unidentified anomalous phenomena for years. 

Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez asked witnesses “if you were me, where would you look” for answers about UAP. David Grusch replied "I’d be happy to give you that in a closed environment. I can tell you specifically." David Fravor followed up saying "They’re not going to divulge it to you because the classification levels, but if you know where to look and who to talk to, which is exactly where Mr Grusch could point you, then you have them."

Closing Remarks

In closing remarks, Representative Glenn Grothman described the hearing as “illuminating” and said he believed legislation would follow. "Obviously, I think several of us are going to look forward to getting some answers in a more confidential setting. I assume some legislation will come out of this...I think we are going to want to look into what we can do to make more of this information public. I think there’s certainly a time period after which it should always be made public and people have been concerned about these issues, like I said, since I was in high school."

Unfortunately for those watching, most of the juiciest parts of the whole UFO discussion were shutdown by the witness stating "cannot be discussed in an open hearng" or have to be discuess inside a "SCIF" A Sensitive Compartmented Information Facility is a secure room. It can be a data center or a secure room that guards against electronic surveillance and suppresses data leakage of sensitive military and security information

When asked for more information on the “football field size” alien craft that Grusch has mentioned in interviews, Grusch said he could not give more details, asked for specific names of private companies that have worked with the government on UFOs, Grusch said he had revealed names – “and departments” – in private hearings, but could not do so here.

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